Sheri: What you'd like to do, Heather?
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: Liz, do you? Would you like to share your screen for a
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: course?
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: And Liz was the one that requested this topic.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: On.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Yeah, let me log in and see if I can pick a
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: If not, I can.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: course.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: So while you're doing that, just a quick intro.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: Sherry Connor works for Moodle US and I share.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: I don't actually know your official title, so maybe you can introduce yourself a
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: little bit more, but she's someone that.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: Amy Brown, who's managing our account or kind of our
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: project manager for our account, has identified us an expert in the grade
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: book.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: So 1212 share with us.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: All the insurance and outs of the the grade book and it looks like Amy is here
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: to to support.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: But if Sherry, if you want to give a a quick intro,
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: that would be amazing. And thank you for volunteering.
Sheri: Sure.
Sheri: And it looks like my Internet connection is not real hot today,
Sheri: which is kind of typical for me.
Sheri: Thank you, Amy, for the strong endorsement there.
Sheri: My name is Sherry and I'm a learning designer here at Moodle and I've been
Sheri: working at Moodle.
Sheri: Not quite three years.
Sheri: But prior to that, I taught at a Community College.
Sheri: I'm in Wyoming.
Sheri: And used Moodle.
Sheri: So I've been using Moodle as a teacher for over 20.
Sheri: Years.
Sheri: So that's a little bit about my background,
Sheri: so I've used the gradebook a little bit in my day.
Sheri: Excited to be here with you guys.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: Thank you.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: And there we go. This is Scott.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: I accidentally shared the whiteboard.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: I don't know what I just did.
Sheri: And I probably should have given you some warning.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: Uh.
Sheri: Prior to this meeting that we might need something like a course or.
Sheri: That somebody was gonna drive.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: You know, I I think that's my bad.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: I think Amy might have mentioned it.
Sheri: OK.
Sheri: So is it OK if we kind of mess around in this course?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: I think so.
Sheri: Alright.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: It's not tied to. I tried to pick an older course before we
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: started pushing completion data.
Sheri: OK.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: So I think, yeah, we should be good.
Sheri: OK, have any of you guys used the gradebook
Sheri: before?
Sheri: Do you use the gradebook much?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: I've used it a little bit.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Umm, I just don't.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: I'm not confident in my grade book skills and I don't understand some of the like
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: balancing and why you have to turn off one section before you turn on another
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: section.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Like if you have pre course that's graded and then the course is graded.
Sheri: OK, that doesn't isn't really tied isn't
Sheri: because of the grade book.
Sheri: That's just kind of a user flow. If you're having them complete something
Sheri: before they can access something else.
Sheri: But.
Sheri: Do you want?
Sheri: Do you understand that?
Sheri: Do you want me to explain that a little bit just with the access restrictions
Sheri: before we jump into the grade book or do you wanna go with the gradebook first and
Sheri: we can revisit that or just ignore that altogether?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: I think we can ignore that for now if I if I cannot still turn.
Sheri: OK.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: It shift gears in my brain so.
Sheri: OK.
Sheri: Yeah. And you guys, please don't hesitate to jump in and
Sheri: interrupt me with questions at any point in time.
Sheri: And if we get done early, then we can maybe jump into something
Sheri: else. If you have other questions.
Sheri: I'm assuming that's OK, Amy.
Amy Brown: Of course.
Sheri: OK.
Sheri: So I'm just gonna start with kind of a brief overview of the grade book and some
Sheri: settings.
Sheri: So a lot of the activities like a lesson, a quiz,
Sheri: some of the forums you can do graded forums.
Sheri: Those graded type of activities will auto populate a gradebook or auto populate an
Sheri: entry in the gradebook. So to access your gradebook,
Sheri: you would click the grade.
Sheri: Tab and this is the same for the students.
Sheri: We're gonna talk about the interface here.
Sheri: We've got it defaults to open with a greater report.
Sheri: So you can see you've got a column with your students,
Sheri: and then we've got columns for all the assignments that it that are graded that
Sheri: automatically populated in here.
Sheri: You've got a scroll bar depending on how many assignments you have down at the
Sheri: bottom, you should be able to scroll.
Sheri: And if it doesn't all fit on one page and see the course total there.
Sheri: So if you do nothing and you have graded assignments.
Sheri: It's gonna automatically populate entries in your gradebook, and typically sites.
Sheri: The default setting is for the natural aggregation.
Sheri: Method and that's where it's just all the points divided by the number of points
Sheri: the points earned by the number of points available.
Sheri: There are different aggregation methods, but we're just gonna stick with that.
Sheri: It's the most common. It's the easiest. We're also gonna talk about categories.
Sheri: If you want to use waiting a little bit.
Sheri: One's strong recommendation I have is, I don't know,
Sheri: do do you guys use a syllabus for your course or do you have like a course
Sheri: outline?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Yes, we usually have either.
Sheri: OK.
Sheri: So in that typically people talk about their grading policy.
Sheri: So you would want your wording and your waiting to match what you say in your
Sheri: syllabus as to how you set your gradebook up.
Sheri: So when you want to make changes or set your gradebook up,
Sheri: you'll go over to the left where it says grader report.
Sheri: And that's a drop down menu.
Sheri: And this is where you've got several different items.
Sheri: So first, we're going to talk about the.
Sheri: Setup. So if you'll select the gradebook setup
Sheri: option.
Sheri: So this is where we can see the weights. Like I said,
Sheri: by default this is using the natural aggregation and it's excluding empty
Sheri: grades.
Sheri: That's another recommendation I have. If you don't exclude empty grades.
Sheri: It automatically gives students zeroes for assignments that haven't been graded
Sheri: yet.
Sheri: So when students look at the gradebook or your learners look at the gradebook,
Sheri: they're going to see a lower grade than they actually have.
Sheri: So we'll talk about that a little bit more in a minute.
Sheri: The grade we can add categories and let's see up in the upper right,
Sheri: you need to select select the edit mode.
Sheri: So we can turn editing on.
Sheri: Thank you.
Sheri: So if we wanted to say maybe have categories, let's just assume.
Sheri: That.
Sheri: Our quizzes.
Sheri: Let's see how how is your overall grade calculated for this course.
Sheri: Like our quiz is 50.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: The only thing that matters is the test.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: But we can pretend that the pretest is 20% and the test is 80% if you want.
Sheri: OK.
Sheri: And so at this point, these H5P assignments are also being
Sheri: calculated as part of their grade.
Sheri: So if you didn't want those included, you could put a check mark in front of
Sheri: where it says 28.49%.
Sheri: And change those to 0.
Sheri: And you'll notice, as you do that how it's adjusting the
Sheri: weights of the other items.
Sheri: The percentage.
Sheri: So if you only have a few things and you don't want to create categories,
Sheri: you can go ahead and just change the weights right here.
Sheri: My background with from the college. You know, we had several.
Sheri: We had assignments.
Sheri: We had quizzes.
Sheri: We had like a mid term and a final, so I would have like 4 categories and
Sheri: let's say the final was maybe worth 50% of the course if it was a big project or
Sheri: something.
Sheri: Something forums could be worth 20% and then 15 and 15.
Sheri: I think that gets gets you to 100, but we could create categories and
Sheri: weights that way.
Sheri: Do you want me to show you guys that or is this enough?
Sheri: I mean, do you?
Sheri: This is basically as deep as you want to go into grades.
Sheri: Or do you want?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: I'd like to learn more about categories 'cause.
Sheri: OK.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: I do have a more complex course that uses them.
Sheri: OK.
Sheri: So you can see here that based on the Max grade, so your pretest was 10 points and.
Sheri: Your final Test was 31 points and it adjusted the percentages there.
Sheri: So even though your final Test is 31 points,
Sheri: if you wanted to make that 95% of the grade,
Sheri: you could just click and instead of a zero you would put 95 and then it'll
Sheri: adjust.
Sheri: It should adjust that other one to 5%.
Sheri: So that's a quick and easy way again to have it match a nice thing for the
Sheri: students, even if you have something simple like
Sheri: this would be to create categories and maybe have a non graded category.
Sheri: So to create categories, go back up to the gradebook setup.
Sheri: And we should have.
Sheri: Let's see.
Sheri: I have to remember different versions are a little bit different.
Sheri: Are you over?
Sheri: Yes, thank you.
Sheri: Add category.
Sheri: So let's, there you go.
Sheri: And this is where I was talking about where you would check to exclude empty
Sheri: grades. If you don't want them calculated until
Sheri: the assignment was due and you graded.
Sheri: And then go ahead and save.
Sheri: So now you've got a category and categories are kinda just like filing
Sheri: systems. You can create these categories before
Sheri: you even start creating content in your course or assignments activities or you
Sheri: can do it afterwards. It doesn't matter, but you would wanna have it set up before
Sheri: you.
Sheri: Your students come into the course.
Sheri: So again you see that checkbox with the weights the percent there.
Sheri: What you can do now is select the items that you want to put in that category by
Sheri: placing a check mark in front of them and then we should be able to should have a
Sheri: drop down to move to move those into the category. We'll let you just.
Sheri: Drag them in there.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Oh, here we go. Move.
Sheri: There we go. Yep.
Sheri: So now you can kind of see how it's starting to build that hierarchy.
Sheri: You can see that those items are within that category.
Sheri: So you could create another category.
Sheri: We'll just do a pretest and a final or whatever, whatever you want to call those.
Sheri: So if you want to add two more categories.
Sheri: And then you can move the items into.
Sheri: There.
Sheri: So now you would.
Sheri: You can just come and change the weights at the category level and you don't have
Sheri: to be as concerned with inside the category giving them.
Sheri: Changing the weights there.
Sheri: So uncreated would be 0.
Sheri: And then with the categories you would just want them to add up to 100.
Sheri: Or 100%.
Sheri: One nice thing that I really like with the categories.
Sheri: Let's say you have graded assignments that are worth 25% of the course.
Sheri: You're midway through the course.
Sheri: Students are just not getting a concept and you need to add another assignment in.
Sheri: You can add it and it'll adjust the weights of all the assignments so that
Sheri: the overall course grade assignments are still only worth whatever percent that
Sheri: you set that app.
Sheri: So it'll automatically recalculate for you.
Sheri: Or if you decide you don't wanna have a assignment, you can pull it out again.
Sheri: They're still gonna stay at that 25% for that category or whatever you have that
Sheri: weighed out.
Sheri: So that makes it really nice.
Sheri: What you can do now, scroll up a little bit and let's switch
Sheri: to.
Sheri: The go.
Sheri: Click the gradebook setup.
Sheri: And go to user view or user report under view.
Sheri: And this just kind of gives you an idea of what it's going to look like from the
Sheri: student perspective.
Sheri: Or if you want to see grades for a certain student,
Sheri: you could enter their name.
Sheri: For somebody in your course and it would bring up their report.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: I don't know any like participants in this course.
Sheri: And I was thinking.
Sheri: That there's a place where you can view all besides the greater report.
Sheri: There we can just pick somebody.
Sheri: So this just makes it kind of nice to align things with your syllabus or your
Sheri: course outline as far as weights for items.
Sheri: OK.
Sheri: So let's go back to the drop down and choose.
Sheri: You can choose.
Sheri: The.
Sheri: If you go to the letter grades.
Sheri: Or grade letters.
Sheri: This just shows you your scale here for letters.
Sheri: If you want to use that or you've got the option to edit.
Sheri: If you want to use a different scale.
Sheri: And you would just click that button to override and then it should allow you to
Sheri: make those changes.
Sheri: So a lot of times departments or.
Sheri: May different departments may have different grading scales.
Sheri: Or you may have a set grading scale policy for your institution.
Sheri: So you can go ahead and cancel that.
Sheri: Let's go into your course.
Sheri: Just click the course tab.
Sheri: And then we're not gonna actually add one, but go to the section and click on add an
Sheri: activity.
Sheri: And let's just choose an assignment.
Sheri: And then Scroll down.
Sheri: To the grades section.
Sheri: So now that we have categories set up, if you go to that grade category.
Sheri: You should have and. Unfortunately we don't see your drop down,
Sheri: but it should list those categories that you created, correct?
Sheri: Is that what you're seeing?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Yes, it does have them.
Sheri: Yeah. So this is where I was saying, if you create your categories before you
Sheri: start adding assignments or activities.
Sheri: You'll have the option to just organize them as you create the activity.
Sheri: So if we created, let's just go ahead and just say test
Sheri: activity.
Sheri: At the top and we'll just throw it in here.
Sheri: Oh, you already did that.
Sheri: And then we'll just come down.
Sheri: You can choose a grade.
Sheri: And then choose the category you want to put it in,
Sheri: and we'll go ahead and save and then go back to.
Sheri: The gradebook.
Sheri: There you go, click the grades tab.
Sheri: And if you go, you can see it there, or even in the greater report,
Sheri: we should see the categories now.
Sheri: But go ahead and Scroll down since we're here.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Sorry, I'll slow down.
Sheri: Oh, that's OK. You're good.
Sheri: This is nice.
Sheri: It means you know your way around.
Sheri: So I think you put it in the test, Yep.
Sheri: And so our category is still for 95% of the course overall grade,
Sheri: but now we have 2 activities and it just divided the points up based on or the
Sheri: number of points available to get those percentages.
Sheri: So that's what I was talking about.
Sheri: It's kind of nice if you need to add something later.
Sheri: You can and it still isn't going to affect the overall grade.
Sheri: Any questions about creating categories and moving activities?
Sheri: I'm not seeing any hands.
Sheri: So we talked about excluding.
Sheri: Empty grades.
Sheri: So we already did that one have to follow my notes.
Sheri: So I don't forget something here.
Sheri: So that was on the category. So if you click the three dots to the
Sheri: right.
Sheri: Of the category.
Sheri: And then edit category. So if you need to you always have the
Sheri: option to come in here and edit and.
Sheri: We've got that option. As I mentioned before,
Sheri: where you could exclude empty grades. You can also mark an item as or have a
Sheri: category as an extra credit of it feeling you probably don't use that,
Sheri: but it's there if you need it.
Sheri: Go ahead and click show more.
Sheri: See if there's anything in there that we.
Sheri: So these are some extra settings if you want to use.
Sheri: You do have the grade to pass, you know within an activity itself,
Sheri: but you can set that for a category as well.
Sheri: One thing I do want to mention here is the grade display type kind of about
Sheri: where your your arrow is there so you have an option.
Sheri: The default is to show Rio which is the number of points, but.
Sheri: Do you want to tell us what the drop downs are?
Sheri: I know there's a letter and.
Sheri: And I don't remember what else.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Letter and then letter percentage.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Letter real.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Percentage, percentage letter, percentage real.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: And then real, real letter, real percentage.
Sheri: So quite a few different options there and you can just choose what best fits
Sheri: your your course. You can also choose the number of decimal
Sheri: places you want to show in their grade.
Sheri: Another thing I want to talk about, it's go ahead and let's cancel this.
Sheri: And justice go to the course.
Sheri: And in your course settings.
Sheri: Sorry, I should've had you click the Settings
Sheri: tab.
Sheri: Umm. If you go down to appearance.
Sheri: Which is keep going down.
Sheri: The parent settings.
Sheri: This is where you can choose if you want.
Sheri: Maybe you have a course that is not. You don't have a gradebook,
Sheri: or you don't want to show the gradebook to students.
Sheri: This is where you can turn that display on and off.
Sheri: And I'm sure Amy has told you guys.
Sheri: Or probably you figured out yourself. If you click that blue circle with a
Sheri: question mark for an item, it gives you a brief description.
Sheri: Of what?
Sheri: That setting is and then down in the lower right there's a question mark that
Sheri: will link you to the Moodle docs for the page that you're on to give you kind of
Sheri: more information if you're unsure about some things.
Sheri: So that's where you can turn in the settings under appearances,
Sheri: where you can turn the gradebook display on and off for your learners.
Sheri: So let's go back to the greater report.
Sheri: So click the grades tab.
Sheri: And if you turn it off, then that tab will not show for your
Sheri: learners.
Sheri: And go to.
Sheri: You can see columns that eyeball with the line through it, where you've got,
Sheri: like staged planning meeting. That means something is hit,
Sheri: but that's hidden.
Sheri: So it's not gonna show up. I believe when we looked at our test user
Sheri: that that wasn't a line item in his.
Sheri: Report.
Sheri: In the user report.
Sheri: So.
Sheri: You can go on the report.
Sheri: Click the cell actions which is the three dots right next to like the column.
Sheri: So the ungraded column.
Sheri: Or or over to the right up. Where's the title?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Oh, that one.
Sheri: Yep.
Sheri: And you can.
Sheri: The default is to show the grades and the totals.
Sheri: You have some options there if you wanna show just the grades or the grades or
Sheri: just the totals.
Sheri: So if for some reason something isn't showing up,
Sheri: this would be a good place to come and look and make sure it didn't get hidden.
Sheri: You can.
Sheri: Let's talk about grading real quick.
Sheri: You can grade, assign some grade. Some assignments are graded automatically,
Sheri: like some the quizzes. If they don't have any essay questions or
Sheri: things like that. If it's like multiple choice, true, false.
Sheri: It's going to be graded automatically by Moodle and the score will be populated
Sheri: here in the gradebook.
Sheri: If it's an H5P depending like these.
Sheri: I don't know if they have questions in there that are automatically graded or if
Sheri: it's something that you manually grade.
Sheri: But you can either go into the assignment and grade things,
Sheri: or you can come here and manually override a grade or grade them as well.
Sheri: Typically you wouldn't grade from here, but you could if we added a single item,
Sheri: which we'll talk about in a minute.
Sheri: So I don't know.
Sheri: Will you scroll over?
Sheri: Do you have anything with grades?
Sheri: In it scroll to the right down at the bottom.
Sheri: Drag that bar.
Sheri: OK so your pre test.
Sheri: Was I'm assuming that was a quiz or something that was automatically graded?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Yeah, that's a quiz.
Sheri: OK.
Sheri: So let's go ahead and click that link.
Sheri: The name of the activity that should take us to the activity.
Sheri: So you can either grade it from here like you would click you,
Sheri: meaning the instructor click the results.
Sheri: Tab.
Sheri: To the left too.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Oh.
Sheri: So if there were any questions in here that you had to manually grade,
Sheri: you could do that.
Sheri: You'd probably do this more with assignments than with quizzes.
Sheri: But this is where you can see everybody's scores.
Sheri: You know that they received on the quiz.
Sheri: You can click on the answers and it'll show you,
Sheri: but let's just say that one of these students.
Sheri: Actually should have gotten something right?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Don't worry.
Sheri: Or you want to throw a quiz question out or something and want to change their
Sheri: quiz overall score.
Sheri: You could go back and in the greater report if you want to navigate back there.
Sheri: Yeah, you'll need to go to the course and then
Sheri: the grades tab.
Sheri: And then scroll over so we can see somebody's quiz scores.
Sheri: OK, we got it there. So you can just click in that box.
Sheri: So where it says 6. 45 if you wanted to or needed to manually
Sheri: override someone's grade, you can do that.
Sheri: Then, if you were looking at that in the
Sheri: activity, you would not be able to change it from
Sheri: within the activity. Do you guys use assignments very often?
Sheri: Or probably just quizzes and.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Yeah, quite a bit.
Sheri: OK, 'cause activities I mean or assignments
Sheri: are probably where I use that the most. You know I would go into the assignment
Sheri: grade, their assignment and then let's say
Sheri: somebody submitted it late, so they got a reduced score.
Sheri: I could come here, override the score and then when I went
Sheri: back to the assignment I was unable to make a grade change there.
Sheri: So if you were ever looking at an activity that you've graded.
Sheri: And you can't change the score.
Sheri: It's probably because it was manually overridden here in the greater report.
Sheri: That makes sense.
Sheri: Or am I kind of talking in circles here?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: I think so.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: So if I change it in the gradebook, it won't change it on the assignment.
Sheri: It it will shame.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Or will it carry over?
Sheri: Yeah. So go back and look.
Sheri: Quizzes. I'm gonna have to think about that for a
Sheri: minute.
Sheri: When this, when the user looks in their gradebook,
Sheri: it will show the overall grade.
Sheri: Do you remember who the student was?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Haley, Ross.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Her boss.
Sheri: So what is their overall?
Sheri: Shows.
Sheri: Now scroll to the left.
Sheri: Or the other direction so that the overall grade.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Oh, the other way.
Sheri: Is still 6.45, but if she were to, if you look at the greater report or the
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Yeah, it didn't update it.
Sheri: user report for her, it's gonna show whatever you changed it
Sheri: to the seven.
Sheri: It shows the manually overwritten score.
Sheri: So with assignments with assignments, it would show the new score,
Sheri: but in the assignment it wouldn't let you make any adjustments.
Sheri: You would have to come to back to the gradebook.
Sheri: There are a couple settings that we've had.
Sheri: The user interface is not the most intuitive for quizzes.
Sheri: Let's look at a quiz.
Sheri: And we'll go into the settings for that quiz.
Sheri: And then go to the review options.
Sheri: So you'll notice that there's a lot of options here,
Sheri: and we have gotten different tickets over the years.
Sheri: People say, hey, my students aren't seeing.
Sheri: Their quiz scores.
Sheri: So this is where you need to be careful if you don't let them see like the points
Sheri: after the quiz is closed, it won't show up for them in the
Sheri: gradebook.
Sheri: So some things to think about there.
Sheri: So the ones.
Sheri: Find the things I want to.
Sheri: Couple of the caveats I wanted to let you know.
Sheri: Where it says later while the quiz is still open.
Sheri: That column that basically means.
Sheri: After two minutes, so the quiz is still open,
Sheri: but before it closes and if you never have a closed date on your quiz,
Sheri: you won't ever reach this point.
Sheri: So later, while the quiz is still open means after
Sheri: 2 minutes but before the close date.
Sheri: So and if you don't ever have a close date on the quiz that that phase will
Sheri: never.
Sheri: And so they wouldn't see the quiz.
Sheri: In the after the quiz is closed basically means what it says,
Sheri: but you have to have a closed date on your quiz.
Sheri: If you don't again, it won't.
Sheri: It won't ever reach that, so the students don't get to see what the
Sheri: option, whatever options you choose here, which may include the grade or the
Sheri: feedback.
Sheri: And typically I believe it defaults that if you don't have a closed date on your
Sheri: quiz, then that column is grayed out.
Sheri: So just a couple things to think about or be aware of when you're creating quizzes
Sheri: and how you want if you want them to display in the gradebook.
Sheri: OK.
Sheri: Any other questions on the great book?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Question for you, while we're looking at this.
Sheri: Sure.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Why are these 3 grayed out specific feedback?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: General feedback and right answer I can't pick them.
Sheri: I think because you already.
Sheri: Well, there's you're able to select them while
Sheri: it's still open.
Sheri: Amy, do you know what's going on with that?
Amy Brown: I just typed in the chat. Is there an end date for the quiz?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Yeah, I believe so.
Sheri: Yeah, because you know.
Amy Brown: Is it past? Yes.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Yeah.
Sheri: Maybe because people have already taken this and the end date has passed.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Maybe.
Sheri: You could try.
Amy Brown: Like that's.
Sheri: Umm, I'm taking the clothes.
Sheri: Well, then it wouldn't.
Sheri: You could just change that to 2026 and see.
Sheri: That makes a difference.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: I have to remember where that was.
Sheri: That was the review options one above, where your appearance.
Sheri: Yeah, those are still grayed out.
Sheri: Do you have general feedback?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: No, these are all auto graded.
Sheri: Entered.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: So I don't.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: I mean, maybe that's why too.
Sheri: Yeah.
Sheri: Well, it's kind of interesting that it let you
Sheri: choose them in the other two options.
Amy Brown: So there is one box ticked.
Amy Brown: What is that one?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Maximum points.
Amy Brown: What does it say?
Sheri: And she it does look like she would be able to after the quiz is closed,
Sheri: choose the attempt points and overall feedback.
Sheri: I'm wondering if maybe just because it doesn't have any entered.
Amy Brown: Is there a setting set in the Great book for it that's overriding it?
Amy Brown: That's right.
Amy Brown: That's the only place my brain's going.
Amy Brown: If she's hidden it for some reason.
Sheri: In the grade book we could look.
Amy Brown: Oh.
Amy Brown: Like the the attempt is not even available,
Amy Brown: so I would I would check the settings for it in the gradebook.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Wanted me to go.
Amy Brown: Right. And you want to make sure it's not locked
Sheri: See.
Amy Brown: either.
Sheri: Yeah, we can check that. And then we go to the greater report.
Sheri: It's. Yeah, it's not hidden or it's not locked here.
Amy Brown: OK.
Sheri: Looks like it should be fine here.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: It was just a curiosity question.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: I don't think I would really want to check it.
Sheri: Yeah, we should be able to tell you, but I can't tell you at this point.
Amy Brown: I think I think it has to do Sharon with the fact that it's in the past,
Amy Brown: it happened in the past and you've already got those grades.
Sheri: Yeah, well, she.
Sheri: She changed it to 2026, which would be in the future,
Sheri: the close date.
Amy Brown: But what's the end date on the course itself? The settings?
Amy Brown: Was that in the past?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Yeah, probably.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Yeah.
Sheri: My other thought is because people have already taken it that you can't adjust
Amy Brown: Yeah.
Sheri: the settings once they once somebody has taken it.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Yeah, that didn't change it.
Amy Brown: I think your theory's holding weight here, so notice how the review options has that
Amy Brown: blue question mark.
Amy Brown: We could probably dig in there too, but.
Amy Brown: I don't know if you were done with doing other things.
Sheri: Yeah. So I bet you know what?
Sheri: I bet it's in the question itself.
Sheri: So if you go to one of the questions, if they include specific feedback,
Sheri: if you've included.
Sheri: O if you Scroll down like here. If you've included any general feedback.
Sheri: Or specific feedback for each answer.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Yeah, that makes sense.
Sheri: Yeah. So you can get, you can get very specific with your
Sheri: feedback.
Sheri: You've got within each answer.
Sheri: For the question itself, and then for the overall quiz,
Sheri: you know in the settings you can you can put feedback.
Sheri: Another thing that we I wanted to show you in the grade book,
Sheri: if you don't have any more questions here.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: No, I'm good.
Sheri: OK.
Sheri: So if you go to the grades.
Sheri: We can add a single view.
Sheri: Go ahead and expand that.
Sheri: The greater report drop down. We should have single view.
Sheri: So this lets you choose either view by users or grade items.
Sheri: So we kind of looked at the user report, which is the same as this,
Sheri: but if you wanted to like just look at one activity or one quiz.
Sheri: You can choose grade items and then you would select.
Sheri: The item that you wanted.
Sheri: And you can see here that we've got a blue check for that one individual where
Sheri: we went in and did a manual override on their grade.
Sheri: So you can also do that from this screen.
Sheri: So let's say you wanted to change Sara's score.
Sheri: You could click there and accomplish the same same thing from this page,
Sheri: which is kind of nice just looking at one activity.
Sheri: It just kind of minimizes the distractions.
Sheri: Let's say you want to just add a graded item that is maybe not an assignment.
Sheri: Maybe it's OK. I'm gonna give everybody by bonus points.
Sheri: That showed up to class today and you just wanna add an A single activity.
Sheri: You could come to the actions.
Sheri: And oh, this is not what I was thinking of.
Sheri: We want to add a single item but.
Sheri: This lets you you can see the options here.
Sheri: We you did a single item override or if you wanted to override all of them.
Sheri: Or exclude all of them from.
Sheri: The.
Sheri: Course grade.
Sheri: So let's go back to the greater report.
Sheri: And we should be able to.
Sheri: Add a single item.
Sheri: Which is.
Sheri: Scroll over.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: You guys should fix this.
Sheri: I know, I know.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Hate it.
Sheri: That's very annoying.
Sheri: Let me think, is it in the categories?
Sheri: Oh, it's in the setup, sorry.
Sheri: So I need to scroll all the way back over again.
Sheri: And then go to set up.
Sheri: Redbook setup.
Sheri: OK.
Sheri: There it is in the upper right you can add.
Sheri: A grade item.
Sheri: So let's just call this.
Sheri: Attendance.
Sheri: And then you can save it.
Sheri: And then it would be real easy.
Sheri: You could switch to single view.
Sheri: Select the attendance, it's it's not.
Sheri: It was at the bottom there since we didn't put it in the category.
Sheri: Choose attendance.
Sheri: With a great item.
Sheri: And we, let's just say everybody was there,
Sheri: go to the actions.
Sheri: And do bulk insert grades.
Sheri: And since everybody was there.
Sheri: We want to go ahead.
Sheri: And all grades or empty grades we want to give a 10.
Sheri: I guess we don't have grades in anything.
Sheri: At this point.
Sheri: So either one of those options would have worked.
Sheri: But that's just a quick way if you want to add something.
Sheri: That's not maybe an assignment or a quiz.
Sheri: It's not an activity, but you want to give them some points.
Sheri: And using the bulk actions you can use the bulk actions with other things that
Sheri: are already there as well.
Sheri: Not just the one that we manually added.
Sheri: So if you switch to the quiz, let's just switch to one of the quizzes.
Sheri: And then the actions.
Sheri: And bulk insert grades.
Sheri: You could do the same thing.
Sheri: Probably wouldn't want to use this a lot.
Sheri: It's here just in case you do, but they give you that warning.
Sheri: You're. You'll lose them if you proceed with the
Sheri: bulk insert, so it would remove what's there.
Sheri: So let's say everybody that just has an empty grade, you want to give a 0.
Sheri: This might be a good instance.
Sheri: You could choose.
Sheri: Empty grades.
Sheri: Insert the grade of a 0.
Sheri: Because of that exclude empty grades setting which we have turned on.
Sheri: It wouldn't calculate this quiz in their overall course grade if it didn't have a
Sheri: score in there.
Sheri: So you would want to come in and give the student a zero so their grade is
Sheri: calculated correctly.
Sheri: So that's kind of the A basic overview. If you wanted,
Sheri: you could move that single item into a category like we talked about.
Sheri: Any questions?
Sheri: You know, in the activities themselves, you can choose to use scales instead of
Sheri: points.
Amy Brown: Heather has a comment in the chat.
Sheri: Thank you.
Sheri: Let me.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: I just went into that pre test and it it looked like you just needed to click the.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: The attempt box is actually available and then it if you click it the other the
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: feedback types become available.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: Just back to to that.
Sheri: Oh, OK.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: Thing we were scratching our heads about, yeah.
Sheri: Thank you.
Sheri: That's what you know.
Sheri: We kind of shake our heads too.
Sheri: This that interface is not user-friendly by any means.
Sheri: So if we went back in and yeah, and pick that first one,
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: It's confusing.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: I don't know.
Sheri: then it would give us.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: Yeah.
Sheri: But hopefully that gives you a good idea of the gradebook how things are populated
Sheri: in there, how you can add things to it.
Sheri: Categories are great just to keep overall.
Sheri: Course grades, you know.
Sheri: OK.
Sheri: So we just need to click the attempt the very first option and then.
Sheri: Yes, thank you, Heather.
Amy Brown: 'Cause, I guess it has to have the attempt in
Amy Brown: order to put that information somewhere, so that makes sense.
Sheri: Yeah.
Amy Brown: Is there ever a time when you you be while on fire,
Amy Brown: go in and actually overwrite a grade that's in the grade book?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Yeah, occasionally.
Amy Brown: I think it might be worth seeing what it looks like.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Sometimes.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Is this what you're talking about?
Amy Brown: Yes. Notice how it's different, it's.
Amy Brown: So you basically have over over red bit.
Amy Brown: Like in the main Gray book, it usually has a different color,
Amy Brown: has a different look, and I always get questions from faculty
Amy Brown: going. Why does it look different?
Amy Brown: It's because it's reminding you that you overrode it.
Sheri: I think we did see that in the greater report for the one, for Haley's score.
Sheri: It did have a.
Sheri: Must just be.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Has that little pin for all the ones that were over in.
Sheri: Yeah.
The ones that we put the zeros in for and.
Sheri: So if for some reason you don't want it overridden,
Sheri: you can click that and and remove it.
Sheri: If you go to edit grade and I think if you just clear it out it should bring
Sheri: that other one in.
Sheri: Yeah. Then uncheck the box.
Sheri: And save it.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Oh, that's good to know.
Sheri: Oh, remove the remove the 7. 5 first and then.
Sheri: So check the box.
Sheri: The overridden.
Sheri: Now clear out the 7.5.
Sheri: And uncheck the overridden and save it.
Sheri: So it put the six 6. 45 back in there and it removed that icon.
Sheri: Do you guys ever need to export grades like is an Excel spreadsheet or anything?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Yeah, we're supposed to.
Sheri: So you can do that. Do you know how to do that?
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Yep, I do, but I can.
Sheri: OK, OK.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: But it might be, yeah, it'd be helpful for everybody.
Sheri: Yeah.
Sheri: OK.
Sheri: Good idea.
Sheri: So it's from this drop down menu and then you choose export.
Sheri: You've got all the things that you can include if you don't want to include.
Sheri: Certain items you can do, just like she's doing and remove them.
Sheri: And gives you some options export format options.
Sheri: Down a little further.
Sheri: And then you would just click the download button.
Sheri: Any other questions we have like 3 minutes.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: I don't.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: This was helpful.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: Thank you.
Sheri: Good, good.
Sheri: And if you do have any other questions that come up,
Sheri: I'm sure you can just reach out to Heather Toole. Reach out to Amy,
Sheri: and we'll get him answered.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: On this screen, when you're getting ready to download
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: your spreadsheet, is there a? There's no way to uncheck.
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: All right. If you have like a lot of activities in
Figgins, Elizabeth - FS, ID: of course.
Sheri: No, because typically it assumes you want to
Sheri: see all those instead of just doing.
Sheri: Overall course grade.
Sheri: So now.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: Well, thank you so much, Sherry and Amy for.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: For hanging in there with us and helping us set this up.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: Really appreciate.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: You working with us and we have another session in a couple of weeks on
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: accessibility, I think, not sure if it'll be you, Sherry.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: We have another another Moodle instructor for us for that one so.
Sheri: Yeah, I believe Eric's gonna do that.
Sheri: He'll do a nice job for you guys.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: Oh, that's right.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: Great. So I'll be sending out the invite for
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: that one.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: Shortly and hope to see you there as well, but I really appreciate everyone for
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: showing up and participating.
Reichert, Heather - FS, OR: And thanks, Liz, for proposing the topic.